I thank you for that monetary support! It is greatly appreciated. And I understand about obsessions. Someone needs to do a chick version of Vision ------OOOOH, WAIT. Well, if someone else already has (not thinking of Jocasta), don't matter, now I'm thinking. ooo
Chick version of Vision? You mean Ultimate Vision, where he's called a he, then builds himself as a woman when gets demolished for no reason at all?
Also, Jocasta was intended to be Ultron's bride, and her brain patterns were based off Jan/Ultron's mother. (Because Oedipus complex taken literally!) Alkhema was also intended to be his bride, and was based off Mockingbird's patterns. The intro to Rage of Ultron goes into how messed up Ultron's familial relationships are. Vision, however, is always called Ultron's son: his disloyal son, his failure of a son, his betrayer of a son - but always a son. I wouldn't equate Jocasta, or Alkhema, with Vision; much like Pym put so much of himself into Ultron, Ultron put himself into his creations, at least the ones with sentience. The actual artificial intelligences, rather than just molds and mindless machines. His intent with the two attempts at wives and Ultron? Vastly different. He's vastly different in the Ultimate universe, though if you want a female version with high heels, behold... the Ultimate Vision!
Because high heels are just super-logical on a robot, who's sole purpose is to be like, 'Gah Lak Tus is coming! I must record and then run, run like the wind on my high, high heels... oh, wait...'
In Mighty Avengers, Ultron uses Tony's techno-stuff and biology (since he's become the armor via extremis, I believe) and turns Tony into a female Ultron who looks like Jan/his mother because, and s/he says this, s/he loves Jan. It's really, really super messed up, in a fun way because fiction.
Um, I'm sorry. I've completely derailed this conversation. Despite just having gotten the Vision bug a week ago, I've been obsessively reading everything with him and his daddy in it. I'm sorry. I'm so, so sorry. But I will create a post if you want female versions of Ultron/Vison/other Vision/possibly other Ultron stories in them. So I don't derail your post with an essay on, um, not your original post topic.
I get really super obsessed with a character, learn all I can about them in a short period of time, and then proceed to overanalyze them. It either thrills people or annoys the crap out of them. Occasionally they're like, nope, don't care one way or another but usually it goes one way or the other pretty hard.
I'm glad it amused and didn't annoy the crap out of at least one person.
I had no idea they transgendered him! And yes, rather superficially, I do prefer the flesh-bot in the latter pic. :D I meant more I wanted to take the archetype of the synthetic man and see if I couldn't do a chick version. nOT Marvel. I really mean archetype, as belongs to the universe or subconscious as a whole. :-p It is very cool that you know all the canon that goes with Ultron, Jocasta, and Vision---and Jan, because the convolution is really amazing. I'm glad Marvel's pushing it. Feel free to do that post, it sounds like there's lots of material!
I probably will. Am trying to find out what I want to read next with Marvel Unlimited. I'm not crazy about the reader, but they made me pay as the code wouldn't work - and Marvel is going to refund me the money so I have a month free.
I may or may not renew for a couple more months at least to get in some good Vision related reading. And it's all that which has led me to this. I actually was into the concept of the Vision, but not really until I saw the movie. Then it all clicked for me. There's something about Paul Bethany's voice! (Did anyone think Jarvis could get hotter? I didn't.)
And yes, I agree, that would be interesting. I know he's had a thing with Wanda, dated Cassie, so seems to be cis-straight, but I think that Ultron proves that there might be a little more to that; perhaps his gender/sexuality is a social construct? If so, well, the possibilities.
I was merely pointing out that Marvel has played around a little with the transgendering of AI. Also, for some reason, I just can't see Jocasta as the female Vision. Given their backgrounds and all, it just seems... I don't know. Not wrong, or dissonant, but not exactly right? Not analogous maybe? And analogies are hard that way. Very little is exactly like something else, or else it would be the first thing in the first place, right?
Ah, sorry, more babbling.
I did, however, think you would find this amusing. This is the face Tony Stark makes when he founds out Ultron gave him lady parts:
All this sounds very cool. Congrats.
Plus, new Vision obsession. I get obsessed hard, even with only one character.
Also, Jocasta was intended to be Ultron's bride, and her brain patterns were based off Jan/Ultron's mother. (Because Oedipus complex taken literally!) Alkhema was also intended to be his bride, and was based off Mockingbird's patterns. The intro to Rage of Ultron goes into how messed up Ultron's familial relationships are. Vision, however, is always called Ultron's son: his disloyal son, his failure of a son, his betrayer of a son - but always a son. I wouldn't equate Jocasta, or Alkhema, with Vision; much like Pym put so much of himself into Ultron, Ultron put himself into his creations, at least the ones with sentience. The actual artificial intelligences, rather than just molds and mindless machines. His intent with the two attempts at wives and Ultron? Vastly different. He's vastly different in the Ultimate universe, though if you want a female version with high heels, behold... the Ultimate Vision!
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/3/31666/696626-issue_2.jpg
Because high heels are just super-logical on a robot, who's sole purpose is to be like, 'Gah Lak Tus is coming! I must record and then run, run like the wind on my high, high heels... oh, wait...'
Oh, also, you might be interested in this:
http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20071128154744/marveldatabase/images/1/19/Mighty_Avengers_1-2.jpg
In Mighty Avengers, Ultron uses Tony's techno-stuff and biology (since he's become the armor via extremis, I believe) and turns Tony into a female Ultron who looks like Jan/his mother because, and s/he says this, s/he loves Jan. It's really, really super messed up, in a fun way because fiction.
Um, I'm sorry. I've completely derailed this conversation. Despite just having gotten the Vision bug a week ago, I've been obsessively reading everything with him and his daddy in it. I'm sorry. I'm so, so sorry. But I will create a post if you want female versions of Ultron/Vison/other Vision/possibly other Ultron stories in them. So I don't derail your post with an essay on, um, not your original post topic.
Have I mentioned sorry yet?
I'm glad it amused and didn't annoy the crap out of at least one person.
I love it when I find evidence that I'm not the only one.
I may or may not renew for a couple more months at least to get in some good Vision related reading. And it's all that which has led me to this. I actually was into the concept of the Vision, but not really until I saw the movie. Then it all clicked for me. There's something about Paul Bethany's voice! (Did anyone think Jarvis could get hotter? I didn't.)
And yes, I agree, that would be interesting. I know he's had a thing with Wanda, dated Cassie, so seems to be cis-straight, but I think that Ultron proves that there might be a little more to that; perhaps his gender/sexuality is a social construct? If so, well, the possibilities.
I was merely pointing out that Marvel has played around a little with the transgendering of AI. Also, for some reason, I just can't see Jocasta as the female Vision. Given their backgrounds and all, it just seems... I don't know. Not wrong, or dissonant, but not exactly right? Not analogous maybe? And analogies are hard that way. Very little is exactly like something else, or else it would be the first thing in the first place, right?
Ah, sorry, more babbling.
I did, however, think you would find this amusing. This is the face Tony Stark makes when he founds out Ultron gave him lady parts:
https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/Pv_gM1_VaOYV8kR6FZND3YCgcDE=/800x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/3659678/ultron_p.0.jpg
Yeah, he's checking to make sure his junk is still there. That expression gets me giggling every single time.