Comments: 7
5 years ago
That last point could become a real can of worms.
Debbie's Spurts 5 years ago
What do you mean fix it or finally doing something about it?

You cannot fix a published book; it's published.

Hopefully they are not allowing authors to get reviews before the fix removed because not a review of the "fixed" edition now for sale -- I've seen a lot of author lobbying for that on Amazon and other sites/forums. Including some extremely angry and overreacting rants about how dare a reviewer review the edition they read and why won't Amazon or other sites force them to re-read the fixed edition or else not allow them to be review ...

Is Amazon now allowing authors to sell books labeled as drafts or beta read editions or somehow noting that while made available for sale/download to the general public on a retail site they are not really published and readers should not expect the same editing levels or quality of a published book?
Debbie's Spurts 5 years ago
I mean the content/writing in a book. I don't include kindle app/device formatting/display errors in my already-published rant of course. I don't judge the quality of the writing or editing (or if ready to be published versus an uploaded unedited draft) by an author lacking technical skills or expertise with kindle devices. Absolutely they should be alerted to and able to fix something that just converted funky to the kindle file format. I wish there was an easy reporting option for that within the kindle device/app itself.
Batgrl: Bookish Hooha 5 years ago
I was thinking fix in that before there wasn't any indication that authors were actually encouraged to do anything about the problems - there was just the "keep it or return it" options if you were the reader. Or as far as I knew, anyway. Also had no idea that there was such a broad reasoning to return - sounds like as long as you didn't enjoy it, you could cite that as a reason to return/get a refund.

That's what makes me wonder - are they going to change the report ability? Because I haven't seen anything you could report unless it was a return that you had to state a reason for.
Debbie's Spurts 5 years ago
I've never, ever in my life returned a book because I didn't like it. I've often DNF'ed just like I'd walk out of a movie I wasn't enjoying -- but, I wouldn't expect a refund because I failed to enjoy the "art" or didn't finish it. Not with local bookstores and not with megastores online like Amazon.

"Defective" or misleading to me is a good reason to return a product. If badly written and edited from the start -- I've learned with all self/indie published books to read the sample which would stop me from buying.

I have returned two books as defective because only the sample had been edited -- which fooled me into getting the book (and was likely some uploader getting a free sample from an editor which they then did not pay). That infuriates me; it's one thing to think your book is good enough to publish but another to know full well only partially edited.

I returned a "misleading" free ebook to Amazon (in the days before I learned to sample first even if free) that was supposed to be needlework patterns but instead was solely pages with one enlarged offensive word on each page.

If a used book was not as advertised, I rant in seller ratings, not in a review of the book.

All that said, I have been tempted to return a few really bad books that were objectively bad rather than my personal tastes or mood. Worst Amazon would do is say "no"; I've purchased thousands of books with only the three returns I mentioned where I'm hardly a serial return-er.

Part of me will be happy to see the badges/warnings, depending on how Amazon implements ( and if Amazon first gives authors a chance to say typos are correct or to correct typos and authors don't then they are making a choice p ...) because the really bad uploads hurt the good authors competing for reader attention, profit bad writers, and waste reader time. Subjective things like quality -- aren't we already doing that by rating and reviewing? Is Amazon not getting review traffic wanted or somehow thinking the same folk trolling, up/down voting reviews or outright selling reviews can now be trusted to judge quality usung a feature that can get book completely removed? It might be worth it just to see a long list of how bad some of the BBA books are if it weren't for providing them editing services where they could fix it and cause warnings to go away.

Most of me is still scratching my head and internally screaming "...but, it's already published...". is Amazon saying it's okay to edit after being published? It disgusts me when authors keep uploading new content editions because they know full well first upload was not ready to be published (outside of a necessary revised for new material in the field nonfiction thing clearly identified as "3rd edition" or whatever).

I'd rather Amazon start a beta read or "draft edition" feature where customer knows editing feedback is wanted. For readers and authors both, getting a good reputation back for indie books (or at least a way of knowing you can avoid bad ones thanks to a warning label) would be great but I don't think this is the way to do that. It's not the way to correct Amazon review issues and reputation for being gamed or fraudulent or paid. I will really despise it if later it becomes a pay-to-have-Amazon-edit-before-publishing service that would be exempt from warning badges or have an " approved" or "quality" seal/badge on the thing.
pmac (guest) 5 years ago
Amazon does not abide by their own guidelines regarding disappointing content or review guidelines. They post these detailed guidelines, but if you report disappointing content, even by an author / publisher with years of consistently ridiculous 1 star "books," they don't do anything about it. If you report reviews that clearly violate their guidelines, they don't do anything about it but send you a canned response. They don't care in the least. Don't believe me? Give it a try: have a look at these books, rank by review and then read the reviews. Check out how long this "author" has been publishing under this name and several other names. Then report one or more of them to Amazon, and see what happens: