I agree, suffering for the sake of suffering is worthless, and I wouldn't be encouraging people to go out at look to suffer, like the flagulists, but many of us go to cushion the harsh reality of this world to a point that we forget what it is to undergo a painful experience. As for being an ascetic, certainly not - I probably don't indulge as much as some people do, but then again I would hardly say that I go without - I do tend to drink the more expensive beers.