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text 2015-01-12 20:41
Reading in Progress: Ladies in Waiting From the Tudors to the Present Day by Anne Somerset
Ladies in Waiting: From the Tudors to the Present Day - Anne Somerset

Here's another bit you don't see in romances! Where did couriers urinate? Often in a very public area - sometimes in a corner (hopefully in a pot of some kind, but just as often directly on the floor) or behind a screen if there was one. There wasn't always a separate room. How much modesty was allowed depended on the particular time period and company.


Court of Charles II, the newly married queen is Catherine of Braganza. So far none of the foreign princesses bring ladies with them to the new court that the courtiers of that country like - and vice versa. (This has been true for all of the histories I've read so far.) Some grievances of Catherine's Portuguese ladies (sometime around 1662):


p 138:

"...They complained bitterly of English meat (too fatty) and English water ('so much poison') and caused difficulties by refusing to sleep in any bed which had previously been sullied by the presence of a man. They were also offended by their hosts' habit of  urinating in public, grumbling 'that they cannot stir abroad without seeing in every corner great beastly English pricks battering against every wall.' "

I'm still trying to figure out how the presence of a man in the same room as a bed automatically sullies the bed. Because it doesn't say that the man has physically been in that bed. That's a new one, maybe specific to Portuguese courtiers? (Because ladies often shared beds in these courts it could possibly mean that a couple had previously shared that bed and the Portuguese lady didn't want to sleep on er, messy sheets. Understandably. But as usual, this sort of thing is vague.)


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text 2015-01-11 21:53
Reading in Progress: Ladies in Waiting From the Tudors to the Present Day by Anne Somerset
Ladies in Waiting: From the Tudors to the Present Day - Anne Somerset

If you have the idea that the English court was a hotbed of sex and intrigue - well, yes, it was. But it was also a lot less glittery than that mental image, and a lot more uncomfortable. I'm not getting this solely from Somerset btw [insert obligatory Lucy Worsley moment] - other court histories led me to her book (which I'm enjoying hugely).


A rough idea of the court: imagine something like a college dorm (in the US, as I'm not sure how this compares to elsewhere). Everyone involved lives in the same large building; men and women mostly live in different areas but are still (somewhat) accessible to each other. Forget having any privacy or time to yourself. If you're not attending your betters, then you're stuck waiting in the same room with your peers. Women might use that time to sew, but usually you'll be sitting and talking - and if you're younger the older ladies will be keeping an eye on you, expecting you to get into trouble (usually with men). As a lady "dancing attendance" might be literally what you do sometimes - to divert the queen you and some friends might do a few dances for her enjoyment, in her private chambers. (Depending on which queen this was of course - Henrietta enjoyed this.) If you talk to anyone else outside your usual group - women to men, for instance - usually there will be witnesses listening in. Nothing stays private for long and everyone gossips about everyone and everything because that's what most people do to kill time. Also gossip is usually directly related to your life and your future, so it's vital that you keep up to date. (There might be a quiz later from the queen.)


Everyone is stuck in this same small space, living in close quarters, for years. You may get to travel a bit - that's usually dictated by when the house/palace start to stink. Specifically when the building smells too much like a latrine. [insert moment of praise for modern sewage systems!]


Entertainment completely depends on what the royals want to do, but often you'll find yourself staying up very, very late. No matter how tired you are you're not allowed to go to bed - you have to wait for the word from the royals. Of course you'll still need to be up in the morning (depending on what your duties are).


Now Ladies of the Court - tons of great little history moments in here. (I foresee much quoting in my future.) Here's one I really wish I'd been able to post on New Year's, because it seems fitting.


The setup: It's 1606 and the court of James I is having a masque in honor of the visiting Danish king. Masques were elaborate productions of acting, song and dance - partly an excuse for the court ladies to dress up and show off in fantastic costumes, since they were the ones who usually performed the dancing parts. But because the previous court of Elizabeth I had been very serious and a tad stuffy, this younger court was a lot more wild in comparison. Everyone drank. A lot. And here is what happens when the ladies playing parts in a masque are drunk, and are dressed up as allegorical figures:


p 100:

"The Lady who did play the Queen's part did carry most precious gifts to both their Majesties; but forgetting the steps arising to the canopy overset her caskets into his Danish Majesty's lap, and fell at his feet... Now did appear in rich dress, Hope, Faith, and Charity: Hope did assay to speak, but wine rendered her endeavours so feeble that she withdrew and hoped the King would excuse her brevity; Faith was then all alone...and left the court in a staggering condition. Charity came to the King's feet, and seemed to cover the multitude of sins her sisters had committed; in some sort she made obeisance and brought gifts... She then returned to Hope and Faith, who were both sick and spewing in the lower hall."

[Somerset quotes that bit from John Harington's Nugae Antiquae, Ed. Thomas Park, 2 vols, 1804]


You know you're getting the grittier version when the ladies are spewing in the hall.

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text 2014-07-31 09:08
Ladies in Waiting by Anne Somerset
Ladies in Waiting: From the Tudors to the Present Day - Anne Somerset

Spotted on Batgrl's updates. Looks smashing.

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text 2014-07-31 02:22
Books I've Given In And Bought! (There Will Be No Regrets!) Also Publishers vs Amazon Hooha
Ladies in Waiting: From the Tudors to the Present Day - Anne Somerset
Wedlock: The True Story of the Disastrous Marriage and Remarkable Divorce of Mary Eleanor Bowes, Countess of Strathmore - Wendy Moore
Amphibious Thing: The Life of Lord Hervey - Lucy Moore
Hack Attack: The Inside Story of How One... Hack Attack: The Inside Story of How One Journalist Exposed the World's Most Powerful Media Mogul - Nick Davies

I was organizing a list of some kind yesterday (I forget if it was the Amazon wishlist or the ereaderIQ list that started all this) and suddenly I found myself saying "oh I give up, I'm just getting them in paper." Partly because I was waiting for the ebook price on one to go down, which it hasn't. And partly because my effort to track some of them down at libraries didn't go very well - the problem is that because some of the books are on such a specific topic, even a city with multiple college libraries might not have them. So rather than spending the gas money (or the time), I opted for the paper.


Also it is seriously hot outside. Vacation time on the surface of the sun. Ugh. I do not do well in heat. So, online purchasing time while sheltering inside. Summer is definitely the proper time to hibernate.


Anyway, the three are:


Ladies in Waiting: From the Tudors To the Present Day by Anne Somerset

Publish date 2005, no ebook option

Discovery method: it was listed in the bibliography of Ladies of the Grand Tour, or was it Mad Madge? I've read and love both but have been lazy and not written the reviews because I have sooo many pages of notes and quotes to pick through.

(I do however note that Somerset's recent book has an ebook option, which is a good thing if I like her work.)


Wedlock: The True Story of the Disastrous Marriage and Remarkable Divorce of Mary Eleanor Bowes, Countess of Strathmore,  by Wendy Moore

Publish date 2009, ebook price has been $9.99 for years now and a used hardcover book was cheaper, even with postage added in.

Wikipedia page: Mary Bowes

Discovery method: I'm pretty sure it was Bettie's review, and then I read the wikipedia account and really wanted to read more. (Also, is that a long title or what?!)


Amphibious Thing: The Life of Lord Hervey by Lucy Moore

Publish date 2000, no ebook

Wikipedia page: John Hervey

Discovery method: read about him in current read The Courtiers by Lucy Worsley and wanted to read more. Actually I wanted to read his memoirs, but those seem annoyingly hard to find - especially annoying when so many other memoirs from his time are available for free online. (This may have something to do with his bisexuality, but that's a guess.) Anyway, I have another book of Lucy Moore's - The Thieves Opera - which I liked (but haven't finished), so this one seemed a good purchase. Plus the fact that there aren't many other biographies of Hervey out there.


And now something I rarely do - a pre-order:


Hack Attack: The Inside Story of How the Truth Caught Up with Rupert Murdoch, by Nick Davis

Publish date: August 7, 2014, I'm getting the ebook version.

Discovery method: I followed all of Davis' reporting in the Guardian during the whole hacking hooha and am hoping for a good "this is how we researched the story" type of journalism-saga. I've partly read another of Davis' books, Flat Earth News, but I only made it about a fourth of the way in and then set aside. (And then it went into the Packed Into Storage pile.) It was somewhat interesting (no citations though, which bugged me), but in a media-scholarly way and not a fun-and-fascinating way. So we'll see what Davis does with book.


What does all this have to do with the whole publishers (specifically Hachette) vs Amazon?


[Short version, because I drone on a bit and you may have other reading to get on with: Because I still buy Amazon ebooks and own a kindle I do have that bias - and I have this weakness for ebooks priced under $5. Doesn't mean I completely love/trust Amazon - in fact I'm more often critical of them. But I also don't think I know enough about publishers' motivations either, so I don't really have a side on Amazon vs Hachette.]


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